Another Grave Dilemma: Major General William W. Loring’s Remains

As in the rest of the country, things are starting to heat up in America’s oldest city when it comes to Confederate monuments. Similar to Lt. General Ambrose P. Hill’s monument and gravesite covered in a previous ECW post, Major General William W. Loring’s burial site in St. Augustine, Florida, is under fire because of its prominent location in the city’s Plaza de la Constitucion. If you think the Hill situation is complicated, you’re in for a real treat.

On June 22, St. Augustine’s city commission decided after a 3-2 vote to remove a memorial dedicated to fallen Confederate soldiers located in St. Augustine’s Plaza de la Constitución since 1879. Hundreds gathered eight days before and called for the monument’s removal because of its ties to the Confederacy. During the 12-hour meeting, the commissioners discussed how to best handle its relocation. The city manager provided a written proposal. Notably left out of the commission’s discussion was the nearby Loring Memorial, which is maintained by the University of Florida and owned but the state. However, on June 25, the University of Florida announced it’s working to remove it as well.[1]

The Loring Memorial. (Author’s photo)

Loring’s remains, unlike A.P. Hill’s, are deposited under the monument instead of inside of it. The obelisk marking his grave is located in a park situated on the west side of the Governor’s House Cultural Center. Most secondary accounts state that Loring was cremated before his burial. (I haven’t found any reliable primary source evidence to confirm this.)

Relocation of the Loring Memorial came up as a topic of discussion once before in 2018. Some called for the removal of both the obelisk and Loring’s body, while one professor from Flagler College recommended leaving Loring’s remains where they were and marking the gravesite with a simple headstone. When a direct descendant of General Loring living in Boston, Massachusetts, caught wind of this attempt, he sent a letter opposing the relocation.[2]

William W. Loring during the Mexican War. (Cowan’s Auctions)

While Loring did serve the Confederacy, his proudest achievements took place before and after the Civil War. He gave his left arm for his country during the Mexican War after it was shattered by a musket ball in September 1847. The surgeon who removed the limb, Assistant Surgeon Henry H. Steiner, later noted that Loring underwent the procedure without chloroform, calmly puffing away at his cigar. Steiner said Loring demonstrated a “magnificent exhibition of nerve and soul defiance” that he had never witnessed before. Loring was brevetted colonel for his gallant conduct during the war. He was an active member of the Aztec Club, which included both former Union and Confederate officers who fought during the Mexican War, such as Winfield Scott Hancock and Ulysses S. Grant, who served as president of the organization for a time.[3]

A closer view of the Loring Memorial. (Author’s photo)

After the Civil War ended, Loring represented the United States when he traveled to Egypt to serve as an inspector general to Khedive Ismail Pasha in December 1869. The other Americans who did the same, both former Union and Confederate officers, were paid the same as if they were employed in the United States Army, and if disabled, were guaranteed severance pay from the American government. “Loring Pasha” published a book on his experiences in Egypt in 1884. He is arguably best remembered for his decade of service there (double the time he spent fighting for the Confederacy). His service for three countries is displayed on his memorial — which includes embossed United States, Confederate, and Egyptian flags.[4]

Union Brevet Brigadier General George E. Spencer. (Library of Congress)

Loring’s time in a gray uniform wasn’t something he necessarily liked to dwell on, either. During a visit to St. Augustine in 1880, author, educator, and veteran officer of the 81st New York Regiment during the American Civil War Joel Dorman Steele, noted that Loring was “reticent” when it came to talking about his service during the late war. He recalled once instance “the other day there was referenced made to it by some gentlemen, he incontinently disappeared.”[5]

While living in New York in December 1886, where he had resided for decades, Loring came down with pneumonia. He died within 18 hours of falling ill. His body lay in state at the St. Denis Hotel so that his old comrades and friends were able to view it until the funeral was held at the Episcopal Church on January 3, 1887. Escorted by numerous former Union and Confederate officers acting as pallbearers, including Brevet Brigadier General George W. Schofield (brother of Major General John M. Schofield), Brigadier General Roger A. Pryor, Major General Gustavus W. Smith, Major General Charles P. Stone, Major General Rufus Ingalls, Brevet Major General Martin T. McMahon, Brigadier General Thomas P. Dockery, Major General Cadmus M. Wilcox, and others, the coffin, draped in black cloth and decorated with numerous floral arrangements, was transported to Marble Cemetery and temporarily placed in a vault. Plans were made to move Loring’s remains to St. Augustine, Florida, in the spring.[6]

Reverend John J. Riordan. (Donahoe’s Magazine, 1893)

On March 17, 1887, Loring’s body arrived at St. Augustine accompanied by former Alabama senator and Union brevet brigadier general during the Civil War George E. Spencer, his wife May, Loring’s niece, the Reverend John J. Riordan, the rector of the Irish Emigrants’ Mission at Castle Garden, and New Yorker Albert A. Nunez, his brother-in-law. Loring’s casket laid in state in the west end of the old slave market building in the Plaza de la Constitución. The casket was covered with black, wrapped in the American flag, and flowers were strewn across it. These were arranged in wreaths, crosses, and other designs. On top of the casket rested Loring’s swords. The market building, the gates of the park, and the monuments of the park were draped in mourning to honor the occasion, as were the public buildings and private residences along streets leading to Evergreen Cemetery.

Reverend Charles T. Quintard. (Doctor Quintard, 1905)

At noon on March 19, Loring’s casket was placed on a gun carriage pulled by four horses and taken to the cemetery about a mile and a half from the plaza. It had been established the year before outside of the city limits. The pallbearers included prominent former Union and Confederate officers Lt. General Edmund Kirby Smith and Brevet Major General Romeyn B. Ayers, the former governor of Florida, George F. Drew, and 13 others. The casket was buried in a lot surrounded by pines and palmettos, deeded to the family by St. Augustine’s city council. During the reading of the service by former Confederate chaplain and bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Tennessee, Charles T. Quintard, Loring’s scabbard and sword were broken and tossed into the grave as citizens, Civil War veterans, and the military escort huddled around in a square.[7]

William Loring Spencer. (Calamity Jane: A Story of the Black Hills, 1887)

But like his counterpart in gray, General A.P. Hill, Loring remains were not left undisturbed after his second funeral. Twenty-one years after his burial at Evergreen, the Anna Dummett Chapter, Daughters of the Confederacy, and the General Loring Chapter, Children of the Confederacy, discovered his grave “desolate and neglected outside the enclosure of Evergreen Cemetery, St. John County, unmarked, overgrown, tramped by stock and frequently blackened by fire,” and so they “voluntarily undertook the care of it, enclosed, kept a fire break clear around it, and kept it in order for eleven years, at their own expense.” But realizing the “impossibility of giving adequate honor and protection to the grave,” they received consent from his next of kin and the city of St. Augustine to remove his remains to a suitable place within the city.

William Loring Spencer’s headstone. (Find A Grave)

On July 3, 1920, the U.S. Treasury Department granted a 15-foot patch of land located in the city (now Loring Park). Loring’s remains at Evergreen were disinterred, identified, and reinterred on July 6, 1920. A granite obelisk, resting on three bases and standing 25 feet high, was erected over the new gravesite on July 13, 1920, at the cost of $1,225. The Loring Memorial was dedicated on December 30, 1920, the 34th anniversary of the general’s death. The Florida Legislature passed a bill on June 14, 1921, appropriating another $2,000 to cover the expense of the curbing, railing, and concrete work around its base.[8]

Evergreen Cemetery seems to be the most logical site to locate Loring’s remains if the University of Florida, UF Historic St. Augustine Inc., or the state decides to move them for a third time — which will likely happen. It was the original location where Loring was buried until the Anna Dummett and General Loring Chapters relocated them to the busy plaza — hence the current dilemma. It’s also worth mentioning that Loring’s niece is buried at Evergreen. She changed her name from May Spencer to William Loring Spencer, demonstrating her fondness for Uncle William. Maybe it would best to place him beside her.

Loring Pasha. (A Confederate Soldier in Egypt, 1884)

I’ll reiterate what I stated in the Hill post: I’m far less concerned with the fate of Loring’s obelisk than I am with his remains. If the University of Florida decides to move them, I have one piece of advice: Get it right. Let’s allow this soldier to rest in peace and not disturb his remains again. I would be willing to help with hammering out these details (free of charge).

I’ll leave you with this quote that came directly from Loring’s best work — A Confederate Soldier in Egypt — published a couple of years before his death: “[I]n no relation of life can we learn the hopes and fears of a people so well as in the manner of disposing of the dead.”[9]


[1] Renata Di Gregorio, “St. Augustine city commission votes 3-2 to remove Confederate monument,” First Coast News (June 22, 2020),; Brittany Muller, “Controversy swirls over Confederate monuments in St. Augustine,” News4Jax (June 11, 2020),; Will Brown, “St. Augustine pastors renew quest to remove Confederate memorial,” The St. Augustine Record (June 15, 2020),; Sky Lebron, “UF Says It’s Working To Remove Confederate Monument In St. Augustine,” WJCT (June 25, 2020),

[2] Sheldon Gardner, “Another St. Augustine monument debated,” The St. Augustine Record (March 16, 2018),; “Loring descendent puts UF Historic St Augustine on notice,” HistoricCity News (March 24, 2018),

[3] Jack D. Welsh, Medical History of Confederate Generals (Kent, OH: Kent State University Press, 1995), 144; “An Ex-Confederate,” Emmons County Record (Williamsport, ND), February 24, 1886; “General Loring’s Grit,” Millheim Journal (Millheim, PA), March 3, 1887.

[4] James A. Morgan III, “Searching for Redemption in the Deserts of Egypt,” Civil War Times (February 2007),; William B. Hesseltine and Hazel C. Wolf, The Blue and the Gray on the Nile (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1961); William W. Loring, A Confederate Soldier in Egypt (New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1884).

[5] Anna Campbell Palmer, Joel Dorman Steele, Teacher and Author (New York: A.S. Barnes & Co., 1900), 158.

[6] Charles Chaillé-Long, My Life in Four Continents, Vol. 2 (London: Hutchinson & Co., 1912), 334; “Another Soldier Gone: Death of General W.W. Loring, Who Won Distinction in Both Hemispheres,” The Russellville Democrat (Russellville, AR), January 12, 1887; “Funeral of General Loring,” Richmond Dispatch (Richmond, VA), January 4, 1887; The Palatka Daily News (Palatka, FL), January 1, 1887; “Modern Gentleman Adventurers,’” Omaha Daily Bee (Omaha, NE), January 6, 1887; “Death of Gen. Loring,” The Greenville Times (Greenville, MS), January 8, 1887; “Loring Pasha,” The Hawaiian Gazette (Honolulu, HI), January 18, 1887.

[7] Alexandria Gazette (Alexandria, D.C.), January 6, 1887; “The Dead Soldier,” The Palatka Daily News (Palatka, FL), March 19, 1887. Charles T. Quintard, Doctor Quintard: Chaplain C. S. A. and Second Bishop of Tennessee, Being His Story of the War (1861-1865), edited by Arthur H. Noll (Sewanee: The University Press of Sewanee, Tennessee, 1905), 53-4.

[8] “Trying Hard at Tallahassee for House and Senate to Make Up Lost Time,” The Ocala Evening Star (Ocala, FL), May 24, 1921; The Ocala Banner (Ocala, FL), September 23, 1921; General Acts and Resolutions Adopted by the State Legislature of Florida, Vol. 1 (Tallahassee: T.J. Appleyard Printer, 1921), 217-19.

[9] Loring, A Confederate Soldier in Egypt, 15.

12 Responses to Another Grave Dilemma: Major General William W. Loring’s Remains

  1. St. Augustine was settled in 1565 and claims to be the “oldest city continuously inhabited in what became the United States of America.” Pensacola Florida was first settled in 1559; a hurricane hit the settlement, sank their ships (still there in Pensacola Bay) and the settlers were forced to return to Spain. The site of Pensacola was too good to leave abandoned; the next attempt (after St. Augustine was established) took root… and persists to this day.

  2. Most interesting. I find cemeteries to be very fascinating. So much history. Especially veterans monuments and grave stones.

  3. I moved to the St Augustine area 5 years ago. Its time for GenerL Loring to be moved back to Evergreen Cemetery. Union General Martin Hardin is buried about half a mile away from Loring’s current location.

  4. Personally, how do you gain a sense of moral superiority by tomb desecration? Pathetic. Let Old Blizzards rest in peace. Or put him in Grant’s Tomb, as he successfully blocked one of Grant’s innumerable attempts to dig his way to Vicksburg. A little practical reconciliation ?

  5. Personally, how do you gain a sense of moral superiority by tomb desecration? Pathetic. Let Old Blizzards rest in peace. Or put him in Grant’s Tomb, as he successfully blocked one of Grant’s innumerable attempts to dig his way to Vicksburg. A little practical reconciliation ?

  6. Sadly, I doubt when he is moved it will be “done right” or that his remains will be left in peace. Cemetery desecration have already been occurring, and once there are no more Confederate statues to topple, the cemeteries will be next.

    On another note, an ancestor of mine was posted to Loring’s staff in 1864 and given a new horse and uniform. After a few weeks he took the horse and headed for home.

  7. It’s not saying much about us that the remains of the dead can’t seem to be left alone, not now nor a hundred years ago. People insist on judging these men by today’s standards. I’d really be interested to know what people will be saying about us a hundred years from now.

  8. And, to make matters worse for the old general, his North Carolina birthplace historical marker at Wilmington, North Carolina’s Third and Orange streets broke off recently, possibly during Hurricane Isaias.

    I tell you, when it rains, it pours.

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